Like so many boys who don’t want to grow up, Mick Jagger still has his gang around him. The Rolling Stones, 43 years on, have just embarked on a mammoth world tour, and released their first studio album in eight years.
The Stones might have done little in that time, but it has not been without incident for Jagger. Mr Rock’n’roll has become Sir Rock’n’roll, made another solo album, become a film producer, been divorced by Jerry Hall (the mother of four of his seven children), contested a paternity suit from Brazilian model Luciana Morad before embracing his son Lucas, and enjoyed the company of numerous models young enough to be his grandchildren.
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Stones made some of the greatest albums ever: Beggar’s Banquet, Sticky Fingers, Let it Bleed and Exile on Main Street. Their blend of hard rock, country, blues and balladry, of priapic posturing and shocking tenderness, remains unique. But it has been the best part of a quarter of a century since the last decent Stones album. Sure, the band could still tour and clock up record box offices every time, but they were dinosaurs, the Strolling Bones, trading off their back catalogue and nostalgia. They had no new songs worthy of their name.
Until now. The new album, A Bigger Bang, is a pretty good record, and a couple of the songs could become mini-classics. Surprisingly, Jagger, who has spent a lifetime shying away from the personal, has made an album verging on the confessional.
He looks amazing these days. His face is more rock than human — lined with great vertical cracks. At the same time, it is remarkably unchanged. Those exaggerated features, the leering sensuality, that pornographic beauty. We meet in a Toronto school where the Stones are rehearsing. He pours me a glass of wine and talks about cricket, one of his great loves. I can’t help staring at his body. His waist is tiny. There is something miraculous about it, a testament to his drive, obsessive workouts and ego. We could be back in 1964, him singing The Last Time on Ready Steady Go, jiggling hips and lips in a way no Englishman had before.
But there is also something Dorian Gray about the waist. Jagger is still vain enough to wear the tight, too-short T-shirt that shows off a tummy a teenage anorexic would be proud of. Over it he wears an open shirt. On the side of a sofa is a hat, a white straw boater. Another persona. When not playing the legendary sex thimble or ageing roué, he enjoys approximating the English aristocrat. Bill Wyman, the former Stones bass player, once called him ”a nice bunch of blokes”. Over the years, Keith Richards has called him plenty worse: selfish, greedy, mean, shallow and, just recently, modestly endowed. They are a temperamental and odd couple, loving, catfighting, forever on the brink of divorce, but destined to see it through to the bitter end.
I ask Jagger if he thought he and Richards would be able to write together again after all the bad blood. ”Yeah, absolutely,” he says. ”It’s all about having the songs.” Because drummer Charlie Watts (the only other original band member) was recovering from cancer, for the first couple of weeks of recording, the Stones were reduced to Jagger and Richards. ”Keith played the bass, I played the keyboards and bass and drums. We had a lot of fun just being two people in a band. I think that added to the feeling of togetherness of it all. And we knew the songs pretty much inside out before Charlie got there.”
The Stones are a four-piece these days, but Jagger doesn’t even mention guitarist Ronnie Wood, whom he seems to regard as a hired hand.
”The actual creative process was enjoyable, and creative processes aren’t always enjoyable.” Blimey, you can say that again, I say, encouraging him to tell his myriad wild stories. Silence. After all, plenty of your creative processes have sounded hellish, I continue. Silence. Like in the 1980s, I cajole. What I want to say is: ”Like in the 1980s when, so the rumour goes, Keith wanted to kill you and Charlie almost did.” But I can’t. There is something controlling about Jagger, something quietly intimidating. He is polite and friendly, he laughs and joshes, but I am also aware of how aware he is that this is business. ”Ah, the Eighties,” he says, as if struggling to remember. ”Yeah, it wasn’t very good, the Eighties, in some ways … the end of the Eighties was hugely successful, though.”
Why has it been seven years since the last studio album? His answer provides a fascinating insight into Rolling Stones Limited. Whereas other bands tour to promote an album, he explains that they make an album to promote a tour. At the time of their last tour, they were advised to bring out another compilation album because it would make more money. ”Everyone thought it would sell a lot of records and we were going, fuck, yeah, we might as well.”
I tell him that what I like about this album, what makes it different, is that it’s so personal. I expect him to say that I’m reading all sorts of things into it that weren’t intended. But he doesn’t. ”Yeah, it is personal, a lot of it.” He quickly covers his tracks: ”Of course, there’s a lot of comedy in it as well. I tried to make the rock songs quite comedic.”
Look, I say, if you strip away a few songs, you’ve basically got the story of your life. The album could be turned into Jagger: The Musical. The album is about an older man looking back on his libidinous life and totting up the cost as he is left alone. He’s right, there is plenty of humour, and the album is all the more personal for it.
At the core of the album, though, is an overwhelming and specific melancholy. In The Biggest Mistake, he sings: ”Acted unkind, took her for granted / Played with her mind …” In the most self-lacerating and despairing song, Laugh, I Nearly Died, Jagger heaves with existential nausea: ”I’ve been wandering, feeling all alone / I lost my direction and I lost my home / I’m so sick and tired, now I’m on the slide / Feel so despised / When you laugh — laugh? / I almost died.”
This seems much more your album than Keith’s, I say. ”It wouldn’t be kind or politic of me to say,” he answers, which seems to be pretty close to an affirmative.
I go through the lyrics with Jagger and present my case like a second-rate barrister. See, I say, isn’t this the story of your life? ”The whole pall-ette,” he says in that slightly mocking way. I’m not sure whether he is mocking me or himself. I’m not sure that he knows. He may do maudlin on the album, but he’s not about to do it in person. ”Yes,” he says, ”hopefully there’s a lot of humour and not too much pathos.”
I still can’t take my eyes off his waist. ”What size waist have you got?” I blurt out. ”Twenty-eight,” he says. ”I’m trying to put on weight by drinking Guinness. What’s your waist?” ”Thirty-two,” I say, giving myself the benefit of considerable doubt. ”That’s not so different,” he says. ”Four inches is massive.” ”What’s four inches between friends?” He laughs, deep and dirty.
I ask, How much do you weigh? ”Sixty-three kilos. I’m trying to put on one kilo. That’s my ambition.” What does he eat? ”Everything. I really am trying to put on one more kilo,” he repeats. ”But I’ve been doing so much working out, and all that dancing.”
Jagger grew up in suburban south London. He studied at the London School of Economics before becoming a rock star. His father, Joe, was a physical education teacher turned college lecturer, his mother, Eva, a housewife. His father is now 93, and still has a huge influence on his life. Jagger says Joe taught him how to apply himself and to distribute his energies. Is his dad like him? ”No. He worked a lot harder than I do. But I think people did in those days.”
I ask him what his knighthood means to him. ”Not much. My father was very proud. I felt very good for him.” How come he is the only Stone with a knighthood? ”Yes. They, should, all, have, one.” He answers as if by rote, like a sarcastic schoolboy. ”Wouldn’t that be lov-ely?”
Did he ever consider himself to be a rebel, or was he just selling an image to the public? He thinks hard before answering. Yes, of course he was a well-brought-up boy; yes, he was slumming it for our benefit; but at the same time he really was kicking against the pricks. ”Before we got famous, we were rebellious on our own minor level because we were very frustrated playing all this blues music when nobody wanted it. So we went ‘Fuck you and your fucking old jazz,’ because it was a terrible music scene with all these old farts playing clarinets. The record companies were ghastly Dickensian organisations. So we were very rebellious against that, and the rest of it just came naturally.”
The Stones were certainly exploited early on. It has often been said that this accounts for Jagger’s later financial acumen — or meanness, depending on your perspective. The tales of parsimony are legion. Bianca Jagger claimed that they lived out of a suitcase to avoid paying income tax; when Jerry Hall demanded a £30-million divorce settlement, he argued that their marriage was invalid, as they had failed to lodge the required documents, and eventually agreed to pay her £7-million out of his estimated £190-million fortune. He made the Stones pull out of dates in England on their last tour because the tax laws had changed to their disadvantage.
Jagger has never been a popular man or easy to like. But to expect him to be so would be perverse; his appeal was always his arrogance, his carnality, his apparent cruelty.
When I was growing up I felt a bond with Jagger. I didn’t have his money or his talent or his looks, but I did have big lips. I was ridiculed at school, but when I came home I was happy to do my Jagger impressions in the bedroom mirror. Did he have the piss taken out of his lips? ”Yeah of course.” What did they call him at school? ”Many things. Heheh … they used to call me the n-word. My father used to apologise to me for giving them to me! I’d inherited them from his side of the family.” I tell him his lips don’t look as thick as they used to, and ask if they are receding. ”That’s what happens to you when you get older.”
I return to the album, quoting more of his lyrics back at him. On the single Streets of Love, he sings: ”The awful truth is awful sad / I must admit I was awful bad.” Is this his mea culpa, his grand apology to all the women he’s screwed over? ”Nooooah! Haha!”
But plenty of women have said that, as a lover and a husband, he left a lot to be desired. My question comes out wrong; I mean that he has not been the most stalwart partner, not that he is a poor lover. His response is instant — petulant and hurt. ”Yeah, I’ve had others say how great I was, don’t forget.”
He seems to be getting impatient. He tells me of a journalist who visited him the other day and blurted out: ”So tell me, how many times have you been in love?” He makes it sound like the maddest question in the world. But there is a reason he was asked it: a while ago, he was asked a similar question, and he replied, ”I’ve never been deeply, madly in love. I’m just not an emotional person.”
I say, You know what I think people will ask when they hear the album? ”Yeah?” he says with a rush of enthusiasm. Is the album your way of asking Jerry to get back with you?” He looks shocked. ”Ah well, that’s not the message intended,” he says tersely.
Does he think he’s going to have to go around telling people that things are not really so bad, he’s not that lonely, he’s doing okay? He looks worried. ”Well, you’re the first person that’s talked to me about it. Everyone else has talked about guitar parts and things. You want people to have empathy, not with you, but you want them to resonate, and think, ‘That could be me.”’
The press officer walks in to announce that there are only five minutes left. Jagger looks relieved.
Is he surprised that The Stones are still a working band? ”Kind of, but I’ve got used to it.”
Which of the dead rockers does he miss most? ”I think John Lennon. I was pretty friendly with him. He was talented and funny, and acerbic and to the point. Yeah, I miss him most.”
I ask him what he feels when he looks at footage of his younger self. Was he really as cocky? ”As it looks?” He grins. ”Yes.”
Did he not have any doubts? ”No,” he says. ”You have a lot of self-doubt when you’re in your teens, then it sort of goes away.” — Â